The money and influence-peddling surrounding Trump’s second-term pardons have been much discussed. But less attention has been paid to another alarming feature: the secrecy.
Pardons appear to be selling at between $100k-$80k per. It looks like. Nothing says he can't sell them. there is no law against it. Of ciourse we don't have a law because even in our wildest dystonian future did we believe we woudl elecet -- of our own free will -- a POTUS who woujld do sucbh a thing. He wrote 1,500 of them for people in the insurection...blows my mind, then I remeber he's a criminal (36 felonies), an identified rapist, and insurectionist... and there you have it. Why wouldn't he sell them?
Hire a criminal as your problem solver, all of your solutions are crimes.
uh huh..; aside --- I understand that is a joke but I've never heard it suggested that the electoral college was anything more than a very secure abacus. Is that real power you suggested?
As I recall, in the Federalist papers, it is discussed as a necessary check on the "tyranny of the majority" and as a buffer against a populist demagogue gaining office. Of course, this was largely pretextual - as with everything else baffling about US politics, it can easily be explained by the desire to protect slavery.
Admittedly I was a little punch-drunk at that time having reached trumpfatique hours earlier. I did, I believe the next day, scan through a deal he made with a fellow rich-felon from India (I believe) The recorded offer though came as a $10million investment -- which will materialize as a company employing 1500...
I just re-found the info on the PR group that is "negotiating for pardons" and reading it brought back a wave of cognitive dissonance: "... his allies and former campaign officials have operated a lucrative pardon market. Former officials formed a federal lobbying practice called Mo Strategies, which expanded into pardon-related advocacy. This specific firm reportedly collected a $500,000 fee from a single client to engage in clemency discussions."
-- that just sounds so normal, like these guys are actually licensed and pay fees and taxes -- which could mean that there are different levels of Pardon available .. Here they are talking about clemency going for $500k -- but that doesn't really tell us much... I mean what kind of clemency are we talking here? He's the president so there's service for the common man to the discerning career gentlemen. May be you only need Remission, or Commutation. Surely that doesn't go for the same price as a Conditional. Of course the Full pardon the chefs' spit is going to be around the number you brought up.
There are some specialty choices, add-ons if you will for the full service clemency negotiation to consider into the price and value. You might have something coming up that will require timing and some subtlety. So perhaps a Preemptive pardon will cover the awkward moments if the detectives show up at the wedding. And then, for those moments were you remained a gentleman but simply had to kill everyone in the room -- the Blanket or ; Group pardon.
So I'll stick by my approximation despite the taste in the back of my mouth, only adding the astric of *what the hell do I know? I don't need one :-)
This term Trump pardoned Paul Walczak after Paul's mother made a $1 million dollar donation to Trump's fundraiser. Trevor Milton & his wife donated $2 million, then Trump pardoned Trevor. We are supposed to believe that the pardons had absolutely nothing to do with the donations.
Respectfully, every time Liz says something like "the president has broad power to pardon" I want to scream. Say's who? SCOTUS you answer. Really? And where in the Constitution is "pardon" defined? (It's not) When faced with the first pardon cases SCOTUS had to reach back into English Common Law and Blackstone's Commentaries for guidance - suggesting that it is the Legislature which has the power to define the scope and parameters of the pardon power. As for it being an absolute power, tell that to Charles I, who lost his crown/head in part due to abuse of the pardon authority. If you doubt this SCOTUS commitment to the importance of legislative definition of Constitutional provisions take a minute to reread the 14th Amendment case on disqualification of those who have engaged in insurrection. The seemingly plain language of the Amendment was casually brushed aside in the absence of defining and process establishing legislation. BTW, are pardons revocable? By a subsequent president? If the power is absolute then there can be no restrictions on its revocation. In other words, those counting on a Trump pardon should not count on it - the brakes on administration to administration continuity are wayyyyyy off. So, please stop saying presidents have essentially unlimited pardoning power - they do not.
Thank you Liz for your insightful and professional assessment of the tRump pardon addiction. Knowing his MO, there is no doubt in my mind that there's a quid-pro-quo at play, the proceeds of which have undoubtedly been added to his $400 million war chest (that GOP candidates up for re-election have been begging for). As a former compliance professional (SEC-registered entities) who has also done forensic accounting I hope there is a all-encompassing accounting of all pardons granted (assuming the attendant paperwork hasn't been shredded), with a complete follow-the-money investigation. I'm currently free, but plan to upgrade because I highly value your work (and regret that I didn't go to law school).
Excellent choice of topic Liz. As clear as can be brought to the fore in these times. I agree with your point about at least having clarity. I think that element alone would be worth pushing for before the midterms. #LawyerOyerWarrior
Is there any way the statute of limitations can be altered to include the clock starts ticking only when the pardon is made public, using a stated process, such as posting on a specified area of the DOJ website?
Lawyer Oyer Truth Teller! Thank you for your vowed commitment to Democracy!
Democracy is out the door, so is the United States of America
Whoopsie!
I wonder how much Trump is charging for pardons this year?
Pardons appear to be selling at between $100k-$80k per. It looks like. Nothing says he can't sell them. there is no law against it. Of ciourse we don't have a law because even in our wildest dystonian future did we believe we woudl elecet -- of our own free will -- a POTUS who woujld do sucbh a thing. He wrote 1,500 of them for people in the insurection...blows my mind, then I remeber he's a criminal (36 felonies), an identified rapist, and insurectionist... and there you have it. Why wouldn't he sell them?
Hire a criminal as your problem solver, all of your solutions are crimes.
It could never happen, the electoral college is there to prevent a manifestly unfit demagogue from being president.
Oh, wait…
uh huh..; aside --- I understand that is a joke but I've never heard it suggested that the electoral college was anything more than a very secure abacus. Is that real power you suggested?
As I recall, in the Federalist papers, it is discussed as a necessary check on the "tyranny of the majority" and as a buffer against a populist demagogue gaining office. Of course, this was largely pretextual - as with everything else baffling about US politics, it can easily be explained by the desire to protect slavery.
Hmmm, discounted for pre election pardons? Didn’t the previous ones run 1 mil+?
Admittedly I was a little punch-drunk at that time having reached trumpfatique hours earlier. I did, I believe the next day, scan through a deal he made with a fellow rich-felon from India (I believe) The recorded offer though came as a $10million investment -- which will materialize as a company employing 1500...
I just re-found the info on the PR group that is "negotiating for pardons" and reading it brought back a wave of cognitive dissonance: "... his allies and former campaign officials have operated a lucrative pardon market. Former officials formed a federal lobbying practice called Mo Strategies, which expanded into pardon-related advocacy. This specific firm reportedly collected a $500,000 fee from a single client to engage in clemency discussions."
https://www.facebook.com/CBSNews/posts/first-on-cbs-when-president-trump-returned-to-power-a-group-of-his-former-campai/1425491926109314/
-- that just sounds so normal, like these guys are actually licensed and pay fees and taxes -- which could mean that there are different levels of Pardon available .. Here they are talking about clemency going for $500k -- but that doesn't really tell us much... I mean what kind of clemency are we talking here? He's the president so there's service for the common man to the discerning career gentlemen. May be you only need Remission, or Commutation. Surely that doesn't go for the same price as a Conditional. Of course the Full pardon the chefs' spit is going to be around the number you brought up.
There are some specialty choices, add-ons if you will for the full service clemency negotiation to consider into the price and value. You might have something coming up that will require timing and some subtlety. So perhaps a Preemptive pardon will cover the awkward moments if the detectives show up at the wedding. And then, for those moments were you remained a gentleman but simply had to kill everyone in the room -- the Blanket or ; Group pardon.
So I'll stick by my approximation despite the taste in the back of my mouth, only adding the astric of *what the hell do I know? I don't need one :-)
thanks, have a good day and I hope this helps
It’s a case by case basis.
This term Trump pardoned Paul Walczak after Paul's mother made a $1 million dollar donation to Trump's fundraiser. Trevor Milton & his wife donated $2 million, then Trump pardoned Trevor. We are supposed to believe that the pardons had absolutely nothing to do with the donations.
(cough, cough - CHOKE)
Excellent reporting Liz! Thank you for keeping us informed. Trump has no oversight and it’s devastating to our country ‼️
I think the Pardoner should be responsible for related crimes as the of he person released from prison.
Respectfully, every time Liz says something like "the president has broad power to pardon" I want to scream. Say's who? SCOTUS you answer. Really? And where in the Constitution is "pardon" defined? (It's not) When faced with the first pardon cases SCOTUS had to reach back into English Common Law and Blackstone's Commentaries for guidance - suggesting that it is the Legislature which has the power to define the scope and parameters of the pardon power. As for it being an absolute power, tell that to Charles I, who lost his crown/head in part due to abuse of the pardon authority. If you doubt this SCOTUS commitment to the importance of legislative definition of Constitutional provisions take a minute to reread the 14th Amendment case on disqualification of those who have engaged in insurrection. The seemingly plain language of the Amendment was casually brushed aside in the absence of defining and process establishing legislation. BTW, are pardons revocable? By a subsequent president? If the power is absolute then there can be no restrictions on its revocation. In other words, those counting on a Trump pardon should not count on it - the brakes on administration to administration continuity are wayyyyyy off. So, please stop saying presidents have essentially unlimited pardoning power - they do not.
Ms Oyer, Your online writing and visual comments are truly a public service.
I believe you are the “canary in the coal mine” in an environment where it’s just easier to go along to get along.
You keep finding things in the administration, especially with pardons that need a much brighter light.
There are too many moments in history when citizens didn't pay attention and expected everything to be OK, but ended up with a mess.
A pattern we’ve seen from the 1930s is right in front of us; you have clear glasses on that focus on this authoritarian regime.
We Americans need to take off our rose-colored glasses and realize that if we don’t act quickly, we may never get a chance to do it.
From an outsider's perspective (UK) an untrammeled power to pardon is just ridiculous, an open invitation to abuse & corruption.
Though there seem to be many other presidential powers also needing trimming ...
You can bet there was something in it for the orange POS. Bet he has never done anything that didn't enrich him somehow.
Freedom of Information Act Can Happen. And States can issue States Charges if Different from Federal Charges.
It’s just nonstop🤬
Thank you Liz for your insightful and professional assessment of the tRump pardon addiction. Knowing his MO, there is no doubt in my mind that there's a quid-pro-quo at play, the proceeds of which have undoubtedly been added to his $400 million war chest (that GOP candidates up for re-election have been begging for). As a former compliance professional (SEC-registered entities) who has also done forensic accounting I hope there is a all-encompassing accounting of all pardons granted (assuming the attendant paperwork hasn't been shredded), with a complete follow-the-money investigation. I'm currently free, but plan to upgrade because I highly value your work (and regret that I didn't go to law school).
This abuse of the pardon power must be addressed. I pray good will triumph over evil.
It always does!
Trump issuing pardons for bribes
https://cmarmitage.substack.com/p/the-bombshell-inside-trumps-13-billion?r=1x361o&utm_medium=ios
Excellent choice of topic Liz. As clear as can be brought to the fore in these times. I agree with your point about at least having clarity. I think that element alone would be worth pushing for before the midterms. #LawyerOyerWarrior
Is there any way the statute of limitations can be altered to include the clock starts ticking only when the pardon is made public, using a stated process, such as posting on a specified area of the DOJ website?
A secret stash of pardons along with a secret stash of cash. 💸
That’s right. Great job Liz.